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Post by beana51 on Nov 28, 2018 14:06:13 GMT -5
ONE BLINK IN TIME? AND THE NEXT WORLD SHAKING EVENT POPS UP AND ONE OF THE MOST JOYFUL.....TO ALL MY FRIENDS HERE,HOPE ALL HAVE A GREAT CHRISTMAS !...HERE IN NYC!!
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Post by sgtmajor on Nov 29, 2018 0:15:00 GMT -5
And the Merriest of Christmas's to you Vin. Hope you have a grand holiday season my friend!!!
Cheers!!
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Post by beana51 on Dec 4, 2018 22:34:35 GMT -5
AND TO YOU MY FRIEND GOD BLESS YOU AND FAMILY!
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Post by grizzly (Alex) on Dec 12, 2018 13:30:03 GMT -5
Merry Christmas folks! Sad to see this forum seems to be in its death throes. :-(
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Post by nige on Dec 12, 2018 14:37:08 GMT -5
I sincerely hope it is not as I look in every day. I haven't posted for a while as I feel I have nothing really to say. This forum is mainly for discussing flightsim. Perhaps we should widen our outlook? Try starting discussions about other topics?
I will give it a try:- If you look at Youtube clips from the '50s, ;60s or, not so much, the '70s, you will notice that everyone looks much better dressed. Even young men watching motor-racing are often wearing sports jackets and frequently ties as well. Personally, I feel that one of the saddest things about modern life is the decline of sartorial standards among ordinary people. When and where did it start? And who, if anyone, is to blame? And please do not come up with the hoary old saw about 'I dress for comfort'. If your clothes fit properly you will be comfortable, regardless of what you are wearing.
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Post by cptroyce on Dec 12, 2018 22:29:05 GMT -5
Nige
I am afraid, at least here in the States, dress and style, along with manners and mores has sunk to the lowest common denominator; IMHO.
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Post by bhk on Dec 14, 2018 15:12:11 GMT -5
..... When and where did it start? And who, if anyone, is to blame?... Nige, In a nutshell, it began in the 1950s and the USA is responsible. It occurred due to the effect on western society by American movies & television shows, particularly those centred on youth, and the change in music genre which accompanied them. The two went hand-in-hand: the invention of the transistor, which allowed for compact record players, and the evolution of the record from 78 to vinyl 45, which provided portability, meant that for the first time in musical history music tastes were being driven by the young people and not their parents. This had a very big effect and also allowed the kids to determine what they wanted to wear. In effect, there was a revolution in music & dress, with movies and tv carrying the message world-wide. One of the biggest effects on the change in the dress code was the widespread wearing by youth of jeans and "gym boots" (the forerunner of sneakers) and T-shirts. T-shirts were a carry-over from WW2, when US servicemen wore them as underwear. Overnight they also became outer-wear. So with the youth of America now determining popular music taste and the dress-code and that code being broadcast globally through popular media there was no way that this change to a more casual dress style was going to be reversed because the adults were no longer in charge of what their kids were listening to or choosing to wear. (I did a bit of an article along these lines back in the 1990s for the radio station I used to provide music for in Canberra).
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Post by bhk on Dec 14, 2018 15:16:58 GMT -5
A very Merry and Safe Christmas to everyone at TOH and I trust that 2019 is a really great year for us all.
I hope it is for us: my wife had open-heart surgery back in September, had recovered wonderfully and then just over a week ago dislocated and fractured her right ankle. Orthopaedic surgery was carried out and she now has six weeks of discomfort and limited mobility to cope with......with my help, of course.
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Post by nige on Dec 17, 2018 19:12:59 GMT -5
Bruce, I hope your wife makes a speedy, full recovery and I hope Christmas is good for you and yours.
As for your remarks about modern dress, I fear you are quite right, although I tend to put a lot of the blame on the Rolling Stones! My wife and I spent a couple of months in England earlier this year and people there do seem to take a little more pride in their appearance than here in Oz, where nobody seems to give a damn. It depresses me a bit to go to a good, reasonably expensive restaurant on a Saturday night and see people in jeans and t-shirts. I have even seen jeans and t-shirts at funerals. I realize that the decline in dress standards appears to be a world-wide phenomenon and is quite unstoppable, but it depresses me just the same. I will just have to accept my place in the world as a mildly eccentric Grumpy Old Man.
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Post by sgtmajor on Dec 18, 2018 0:14:01 GMT -5
Bruce, I hope your wife makes a speedy, full recovery and I hope Christmas is good for you and yours. As for your remarks about modern dress, I fear you are quite right, although I tend to put a lot of the blame on the Rolling Stones! My wife and I spent a couple of months in England earlier this year and people there do seem to take a little more pride in their appearance than here in Oz, where nobody seems to give a damn. It depresses me a bit to go to a good, reasonably expensive restaurant on a Saturday night and see people in jeans and t-shirts. I have even seen jeans and t-shirts at funerals. I realize that the decline in dress standards appears to be a world-wide phenomenon and is quite unstoppable, but it depresses me just the same. I will just have to accept my place in the world as a mildly eccentric Grumpy Old Man. Nige my dear friend.....please don't come to the U.S. then. Why do you think I'm always talking on moving to Oz someday. I now see people in Sunday church service in cut off shorts, tee-shirts and flip-flops. Trust me when I say I truly don't mind if that's the best they can do......however, when they crawl in their $80k cars after service etc.....well.....in my humble opinion, they should know better. Yes indeed......"Good Taste" is like the older movies......it use to matter what people thought and pride was taken with workmanship, dress, manners etc., etc. I place all the blame on society on a whole. Growing up as a kid.....one parent worked and the other was responsible for adult leadership and life in general. Now...both parents are working....kids are at day care and in some cases the day care is over populated or not enough staff on hand.......and in many times.....it seems like the ones that are in charge really don't care......but then of course you have the parents who don't want anyone telling their poor little Tommy or Susie what to do or how to behave. Seems it's a wild vicious circle. And BTW......I'm so VERY Sorry to inform you mate........ I cornered the market on the mildly eccentric Grumpy Old Man title quite a few years ago. (smile) Cheers!!
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Post by bhk on Dec 18, 2018 4:15:44 GMT -5
I love watching old movies (such as "Rear Window", for one most recent example which comes to mind) where the girls, women and men looked "dressy" even when they were wearing casual clothes.
My mum used to get "dolled up" just to drive 30 miles into the largest town (Taree) for a fortnightly outing and shopping. Pearls, gloves, handbag....you name it, that was considered the proper thing to do when going out.
Sadly, all in the past.
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Post by grizzly (Alex) on Dec 18, 2018 13:47:15 GMT -5
Went to my wife's office do last weekend, at a local prestigious golf course. Sit down meal, dance, the whole caboodle. A good proportion of the men turned up in jeans. At least the ladies all made the effort. Oh yes they were all realtors. You would think they would have a clue as to how to dress but no.
Here in BC I have attended weddings (so far no funerals) where they turn up in jeans. Bloody peasants. Pioneer spirit maybe??
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Post by nige on Dec 18, 2018 14:48:47 GMT -5
I really enjoy some of the, mainly British, television shows set in the '50s or '60s. Poirot, Foyle's war, Maigret, Father Brown, Endeavour, etc. mainly to enjoy the clothes (and the cars). Nostalgia, I suppose.
I while ago I read a book by an Australian girl who moved to Paris with her French boyfriend. One day she wanted to nip out to buy something and put on t-shirt and track suit pants. Her horrified boyfriend told her "You can't go out looking like that! It would be an insult to the shopkeeper to walk into his shop dressed like that!". Perhaps I should think of moving to Paris!
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Post by bhk on Dec 18, 2018 14:57:35 GMT -5
....Perhaps I should think of moving to Paris! Do you speak French, Nige?
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Post by nige on Dec 18, 2018 16:38:52 GMT -5
Well..... I did a year of French in 1955 and I can remember about twenty words of it. I can go into a French cafe and order a black coffee, if that's any help. I spent a few days in Paris in 1989 and I got on moderately well.
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