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Post by ScruffyDuck on Oct 15, 2006 15:38:41 GMT -5
OK I have been watching the ups and downs of FSX for the last few days and it has been very interesting. The Old Hangar has been an Oasis of Calm in the storm of whatever I have two comments - first I do wish people (and I am not referring to anyone here would compare like with like. Compare a bare FSX install with a bare FS9 install and see which is better. Comparing a four year old, highly tweaked, addon rich FS9 to an out of the box FSX does seem a bit lop sided to me. Second - I like it I had a load of problems with FPS but thanks to the tweak gurus I get a nice 18-20 fps experience. What I need now is to figure out how to get around the ten minutes it takes the terrain data to load - I will get there and finally (OK that's three but who's counting) I really do believe in personal choice and everyone should have the set up they want and can afford. Most important is to enjoy ;D
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Post by scubakobe on Oct 15, 2006 21:00:46 GMT -5
first I do wish people (and I am not referring to anyone here would compare like with like. Compare a bare FSX install with a bare FS9 install and see which is better. Comparing a four year old, highly tweaked, addon rich FS9 to an out of the box FSX does seem a bit lop sided to me. Good point there. The people that are saying "FS-X is just FS9 with addons!" will be dropping their jaws once new add ons are released with FS-X capabilites. I asked the Best Buy employee why FS-X was available on the east coast, and he said he would get the manager and ask. 15 minutes later I get a dial tone. Oh well, only 2 more days, LOL. ;D
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Post by dominique on Oct 15, 2006 23:50:16 GMT -5
I do wish people (and I am not referring to anyone here would compare like with like. Compare a bare FSX install with a bare FS9 install and see which is better. Comparing a four year old, highly tweaked, addon rich FS9 to an out of the box FSX does seem a bit lop sided to me. A typical programmer approach ;D ! No Jon, The issue is not fairness i.e. benchmarking two versions one against the oher, the issue is pleasure and therefore value added on a "capitalized" FS9, benchmarking FS9+Addons against FSX is indeed legitimate and even the normal thing to do for a customer. I must add that the demo is a joy for the eyes but if you need to have it work to get the autogen very much down, resize textures and get FS9 like water the value added evaporates. That's dumbing down. The missions btw are prettty much OK with me for I see a great potential not for a career mode (yiikes! I agree with Tom here). Some astutely designed missions may actually improve our flying as simming encourages sloppiness in a way. I was also impressed by the CRJ tutorial. Great potential there too.
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Post by ScruffyDuck on Oct 16, 2006 3:37:09 GMT -5
OK Dominique - pleasure it is Mind you I am also curious about the comparative costs and how that figures in this kind of decision making. Seems to me that comparing a current FS2004 setup with maybe $$100s of addons to an out of the box FSX at less than $100 and expecting the same or better performance is also a bit perverse (at least in my book). The other thing is that we are all different and therefore what I want from a Sim is almost certainly different from you, and from Tom etc. Therefore we each spend a lot of time fiddling around with our FS setups to meet our particular needs. I think that is one of the great strengths of the program It is pretty flexible and can be tailored over time to be personal to each of us. So in the end it is a totally personal decision and we all have to make it on our own so who I am I complain about how people make their comparisons? ;D
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Post by Soulmoon on Oct 16, 2006 7:45:41 GMT -5
My view is like this.
FSX is not the monumental leap some people seemed to expect or want. Allegations of "It's the end of FS!" abound.
But you know what? FS9 wasn't the monumental leap some people wanted it to be either.
FSX, true, focuses mostly on eyecandy upgrades - but mostly, not exclusively. For those of us who haven't spend a ton of money buying the best terrain meshes, FSX offers something to us. I'm sorry for those of you that have, really, but from my perspective, I'm happy with that feature of X.
I have my own complaints - I wish they had not cut so many of the vintage aircraft. But in the long run, that's a small complaint, as FS9 planes basicly work in FSX. And for that matter, nothing says that once you get FSX, you have to stop using FS9 - I didn't just stop using 2002 when I got 9, either.
I guess what I'm trying to say is... It's too soon. I hear this same type of thing whenever any product changes... "Windows 95 is just eyecandy nonsense!" "I'll never upgrade to windows XP!", etc. But, it almost never seems to be the death of the product. If you honestly see nothing for you in FSX, fine. But that doesn't mean, because it doesnt tickle your fancy, that its an abomination. And it doesn't mean FSX is for "the gamers", either, or a worse product - it's just different.
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Post by Admin on Oct 16, 2006 11:52:50 GMT -5
I don't dislike FSX. It runs well on the machine I bought for the beta test. Sure my frame rates dip in complex scenery but that's to be expected. Do I think they could have done better? Yes. I think much more tuning could have been done on the graphics. Are there things I like? Yes. I like the additional sliders that enable on the fly tuning of terrain and detail in more ways than ever before. I like the "eye candy." I like the additions to the AI Traffic. I like the improved flight planner and the G1000 gauges. Are there things I dislike? Yes. I hate to the point of irrationality the introduction of gaming elements that do nothing to advance the sim. In particular I detest the mission system because I see it as a first step to a straight jacket career mode ala the various racing games. I can visualize FS11 where you start out with the J-3 and when you successfully complete all the J-3 missions, you unlock the Cessna 172. There has been a high pitched whine begging for this for years on the major forums and it looks like they will get their wish. In reality though, only time will tell if the flightsimmer has a place in the future of Flight Simulator. Meanwhile, enjoy whichever vesrsion you have.
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Post by beana51 on Oct 16, 2006 12:51:01 GMT -5
Well,I for one am "Convinced" After all the anticipation,and now the intense evaluation's,the new daily interests, the chatter,and the mutterings,I feel FSX,has arrived.Let it be awful,or let it be wonderful,as long as its new!its here.Either way I'm glad,Soon we will all go back to our preferred environments,and peacefully, start to enjoy this from MICROSOFT.FSX or FS9,their are no losers here.Microsoft by the way,and without them, we would have never known or started this wonderful world of Simming.Yea,a make believe world.A world which enables us to be for ever young.I was wondering what the most respected and revered contributers to this Sim world are thinking?Will this new and fresh world we got be transformed into another time and dimension.?.We know who they are.They can and will do something soon..Soo, we now collectively have to wean ourselves off FS9. Like all pleasant memories of hard work,development,and enjoyment, it may not be easy...but we will. " IT AIN'T OVER TILL ITS OVER"....Yogi Berra VIN
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Post by dominique on Oct 16, 2006 14:15:12 GMT -5
. I can visualize FS11 where you start out with the J-3 and when you successfully complete all the J-3 missions, you unlock the Cessna 172. yes but it gonna be easier than you think with all the powerkits picked up in the clouds ;D.
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Post by Admin on Oct 16, 2006 14:34:47 GMT -5
yes but it gonna be easier than you think with all the powerkits picked up in the clouds ;D. Yeah but my hand to eye coordination is shot. I suppose I should practice with the X-Box controller.
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Post by ScruffyDuck on Oct 16, 2006 14:52:52 GMT -5
Tom
I do hope you are wrong in that FS will become a gamers level based toy. That would certainly stop me moving to a new version.
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Post by Admin on Oct 16, 2006 15:55:20 GMT -5
Tom I do hope you are wrong in that FS will become a gamers level based toy. That would certainly stop me moving to a new version. I hope I am wrong too. And I am willing to admit that my permanent and absolute (bordering on insanity) opposition to career mode gaming of any sort has clouded my thinking. Nevertheless, I think the biggest changes in FSX point that way. Now I wait for Ultimate Terrain X. FSX shorelines and roads are much better than FS9 default, but do not measure up to Ultimate Terrain especially in Maine and Eastern Canada where I fly a lot. Justin is already compiling the 9 meter mesh so I will be golden there. My Carenado aircraft imported fine as did some others. I'm almost ready for VFR flying in FSX. Golden and Silver Wings are another story altogether. Those require FS9 and so I will be maintaining at least 4 flightsims for the forseeable future.
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Post by beana51 on Oct 16, 2006 16:59:17 GMT -5
Hi,I would hope we are all wrong.Until now i feared the X-Box thing would supersede all new FSs by Microsoft.Lets face it ,for them its the smart marketing move.An all in one contraption dedicated to all games.Simmers like us will be big losers.Yet,I must thank them for not going that route.As far as" Missions,situations,"planted in FSX,I personal;y do not care for them.My own imagine is enough. That is the bottom line,X-Box will give you promised visual performance.That with out any input,or elaboration by us.A toy,to master,and then discarded.My grand kids will figure it out in an hour.and never look back.They always ask whats new? and the new games will flow.Thats old news already.I will and have accepted this FSX.I will use and keep FS9,.For all I know they may be the last in the line for home computers. For the real serous Simmers,who use this for training,and flight school familiarizations,there will always be an alternative. "BE THANKFUL FOR WHAT YOU AIN'T GOT!! VIN
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Post by scubakobe on Oct 16, 2006 17:53:37 GMT -5
My grand kids will figure it out in an hour.and never look back.They always ask whats new? and the new games will flow. Hahaha, that's true. A kid at school asked me if the airplanes in FS-X had guns, I said no, and he said, "Well that's boring!". This is the first time they have televised a commercial for the Microsoft flight simulators, isn't it? They have to make money somehow. Who cares what people will use it for. As long as they keep upgrading it, it may get better each time until finally flight dynamics are history and you can get an F-16 stock with guns and a mission to go chase others down. I don't think FS-X will be the end.
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