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Post by windrunner on Aug 14, 2010 2:47:12 GMT -5
And you'll get one for free asap! it's a Lohner and it is a: 1-type H 2-type L 3-type Vb 4-type biplane
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Post by David on Aug 14, 2010 12:31:37 GMT -5
I'm guessing an L type. But I'm sort of cheating by looking at the number under the cockpit!
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Post by windrunner on Aug 15, 2010 7:12:22 GMT -5
Oh yes David! you win. It is an "L"...and it is more dangerous than ever! you can see why!
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Post by wolfgang89 on Aug 15, 2010 8:35:36 GMT -5
WOW...looks amazing. I am a little confused though about the difference between model type and serial number. Isn't the L16 a serial number. For instance Craig's first release of the Lohner was an Mk type with serial E17, but that doesn't make the Lohner Mk, an E Type. According to these two sites, Lohner L16 is a Lohner Type M: <http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww1/h/1825/175/0>, <http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/austrhun/banfield.php>. Sorry for creating all this confusion, but just wanted to know the correct answer
Wolfgang
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Post by windrunner on Aug 15, 2010 10:35:35 GMT -5
Well spotted Wolfgang! and to be honest, the identification of the planes is giving me lot of headaches actually. To put it simple this is how I understand it in this case: L16 was one of the several types flown by our von Banfield and it was a one of the dozen Type "L" constructed at Pola upon some sources. Planes of the type L built there, received the "M" denomination for some reason (and not just Lohners but others as well like the Hansa-Branderburgs), and that adds lots of confussion. In this image, there is a M at the top and L16 at the bottom and to me it doesn't look like a pure "M" but it is not a pure L either! ahrgh! I am painting L135 right now, the plane that sunk the French submarine Foucault.. Some sources says it is a Type "T1" (the stabs at the T1 series were very different from the L) and others claims it iwas a pure "L". After looking with attention, I am almost sure it was an "L" and not a "T1"and the most detailed graphics sources indicates it was an L too. So, at a certain degree, a compromise has to be done. Same thing is with L47 that some indicates it like a T and other like a "L". The next series of planes will be the Type L in honour of Gottfried von Banfield, one is L16 and the other L126 that participated in the night bombing of the Venice arsenal in 9 August of 1916 when another submarine was damaged (the British B10). But if more information indicates me L16 was a pure "M" and not an "L" I can change that without remorse. Any documentation in the identification of L135,L47.L78 will be of great help too. edit: OK, I looked with more attention at the wings palette description and may be L16 was an M modified to a single post plane? an hybrid of some sort?, and that changes everything. Uhm...that may be the case, no doubt. Well, I'll change that asap. Thanks you Wolfang! I'll searh for a pure "L" of the Venice raid to add to L126 instead of L16.
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Post by wolfgang89 on Aug 15, 2010 10:46:33 GMT -5
Hey Damian
Thanks for the detailed information. If I should find any info concerning: L135,L47, L78, I shall forward them to you ASAP
best regards
Wolfgang
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Post by windrunner on Aug 15, 2010 10:53:01 GMT -5
Well, it is me who has to thanks you! I was about to do a mistake. Take a look at this photograph of Banfield and L16, and it is clearly a single seat plane (from a Treadwell's book) Now we have to convince Craig to do that one!
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Post by David on Aug 15, 2010 12:23:39 GMT -5
In this case, it appears ignorance WAS bliss. It is a beauty and I really like the gun on the second pic. That gave me pause trying to tell the L from the H since it looked like an L but I couldn't see the gun. So I guessed based on the 16 designation!
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Post by Craig on Aug 15, 2010 14:59:49 GMT -5
LOL I'm so confused still ;D but I think I'm getting there.... Thanks for your input guys, its greatly appreciated.
Craig
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Post by windrunner on Aug 16, 2010 4:19:19 GMT -5
L78 will replace L16 on the package, I'll post some pics later; guys, time to spam Craig's inbox to ask him to do a "Gottfried von Banfield's Special" with L16 and L47...lol! he will hate us, of course!
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Post by Craig on Aug 16, 2010 6:55:44 GMT -5
Did I mention I love spam LOL, here's a screen shot of me trying to drop some bombs.... In the 'L' Craig
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Post by windrunner on Aug 18, 2010 3:50:18 GMT -5
Craig that is good! those "bombs" were more like hand grenades and hopefully more trustworthy and safe. Guys. I have been checking some interesting links Wolfang has share with me and about L78. I have now, two different sources that indicates it is a "L" and one that says it as an "Te". Unfortunately, the stabilizers are not clearly visible on the one and only we have of her, so I cannot state by myself wich type it is; now, notice the same photograph has two different dates: the first one is from 29 March 1916 and the second 27 May 1915. And it is the very same plane at the very same location (and I pressume at the same hour) indicated as a Te only in the second photograph. "L78" as an Typ "L" As a Typ "Te" More or less the same thing is going on with L135. After some meditation, I am inclined to paint her as an "L" rather than a "T".
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Post by windrunner on Aug 20, 2010 9:53:59 GMT -5
OK guys, since no further final evidence has turned out, L135 will be depicted as an "L". I have to say Craig is preparing a whole new package with several details that will add lot of immersion to the Lohner experience (no revelations yet). My part is done! can you see the bombs there?
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Post by Roger on Aug 20, 2010 11:07:50 GMT -5
This is good news!
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Post by Craig on Aug 20, 2010 13:22:28 GMT -5
Thanks Roger ! Now most of the final touches are finished I will take her to the Dark Side.... FSX ;D here's a shot thats my current desktop reduced 25% and in GW Craig
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