What's your older flying machine?

[windrunner]

Mine is the LZ1. Not bad for a dinosaur! . I think this is the "oldest" flying model I have in the hangers (from the year 1900). The scenery is from our Bill's Zeppelin package.



That sort of box was the trim: when the ship had to climb, it moved to the rear, when it had to descent, to the nose.



A basic "cockpit"



And out for a while.

[denniss]

Hi, wr,
Neat photos. I especially like the "office."
A funny story concerning old crates: When Flight Simulator Flight Shop (I think it was called) arrived, I thought I'd jump in and make some old crates for FS5.
So, of course, I started with the first plane, right?
A really dumb idea.
FSFS was fine for jets but, because of bleedthrough, a real challenge for the Wright Flyer.
I sure learned a lot quick.
My latest Gmax oldie isn't the oldest in my fleet (I suppose my Bleriot and Reims Flyer are). But the 1910 Coanda is certainly the oddest. She's either the world's first jet.... or ducted fan...depending on whether you believe Coanda actually sprayed fuel into the venturi and ignited it.

All in good fun.
Dennis

[lionheart]

Windrunner,

You didnt say where you got your ZR1. Is that from Bill Lyons FS98 adventure pack? Love the textures on it. I have been wanting to make one my self.

Dennis,

Longtime no see. Again you have found an absolutely rare bird that I have never seen before. (I didnt think that was possible 3 planes back and you do this again).

I wonder how damaged a pilot would be after flying it, having to sit in the engines plume.

Cheers,

Bill

[kerm]

Windrunner and Dennis,
Are these aircraft available anywhere? I've checked all my usual sites and can't find them. Can you post a link?

Thanks,
KC

[windrunner]

Hi all, the Zeppelin is a Jens Winkler product (you can get via Simmarket for Euro 7,00). Jens's page is

www.js-design.de.vu/english/support.html

Hey Denis, I remember FSFS and its manual (I think I still have in some box). I never found my way, beyond the paper plane....it was a very innovative program in those "yesteryear" days, and I did my first repaint of Harvard that come with the program via FSFS.

That Coanda is all a project in itself, I have to know more about the genius who project it!

[kerm]

Thanks, Windrunner
This is one I'll buy!

KC

Got it! Low and slow is an understatement. I like it alot!

[bhk]

Apart from the default aircraft (Wright Flyer, Vickers Vimy), this would be the oldest aircraft that I have in my active hangar..........



Bruce

[dominique]

he he

That would be it, first flight on 1935, in the MAAM Dakota( picased ;D) version. I'm more a man of the 30s and 40s, you know The Spartan another favorite two years younger


Clickable and resizable thumbs, they will adapt to your screensize.

[jimslost]

"Wafting aeronautically ...."

[lionheart]

JIM! WHERE DID YOU GET THAT! I HAVE SEEN IT IN A MAGAZINE BEING RESTORED! ARRRGHHHH...............!

[bhk]

Isn't that one of Dennis' creations.....the "Glass Avro" or somethin' like that?

Bruce

[Roger]

The avro is on our download site but only accessible via ftp (I'm not clever enough to post a download link here). In the meanwhile I'll send it to anyone who wants it...it's one of my favorite early aircraft ;D

[jimslost]

Yes, Bruce is right, it is one of Dennis' masterpieces. Better trust Roger on getting it, though, because I've forgotten where I got it (the memory is the second thing to go, you know ....)

[denniss]

Hello, All,
Yep, my Avro Type F is (or was) here in the download site. I haven't uploaded the Coanda anywhere.
It's a neat story: Henri Coanda was a Rumanian engineer/artist/free-thinker. In his early days, he looked very arty; long hair, floppy hat, etc. At the 2nd Salon de Aeronautique in Paris, October 1910, he displayed this fabulous sesquiplane (i.e., biplane with one wing dramatically shorter than the other; in this case, the lower one shorter). It was supposed to fly by reaction propulsion, i.e., at least a ducted fan, maybe a jet. Even apart from this, it was quite innovative, with lots of stressed surfaces, very few struts and wires, remarkably clean for its era.
A 4-cylinder Clerget drove an air compressor through multiple gears. The flow passed through the venturi nose cone, with an adjustable diaphragm in front to control thrust.
Some say he intended to inject fuel into this flow and ignite it. Others note that he would have fried his hair (not to say more vital parts) if he did.
It's said he did some taxi tests, one of which got airborne. As he didn't know how to fly, this ended in a crash-and-burn.
Other Coanda engineering appeared on Bristols, including a gear-drive prop plane.
Also, the Coanda Effect explains how flow can follow the shape of an object: Place a flat surface essentially parallel to the flow (a knife edge at a faucet, say) and the water just travels straight. Do it with the outside surface of a spoon (i.e., the convex surface) and the water will be diverted (but not necessarily as you might expect).
There are those who feel the Coanda Effect is as important/more important as/than the Bernoulli Principle. As late as the 50s/60s, folks fooled with a Coanda Effect flying saucer shape.
All in good fun.
Dennis

[jimslost]

Good fun? I consider your discourse to be more in the vein of higher education. Thanks for the info.