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Post by dominique on Oct 14, 2006 5:16:02 GMT -5
Trying to make up my mind with the demo 2, it"s not a question of money for me, more not to waste the precious time I've to play and avoid frustration. Better mesh ? I already have FS Genesis where I usually fly : 38 m for the US and 76 m for Middle-East and SE Asia in FS9. 19 m and below is too taxing for my computer Better ground resolution ? a big plus for X as my computer seems to cope with 2 and 1 m Topography : in the US, Canada and Europe FS9+UT is superior. Elsewhere ? Weather : nothing new ATC : nothing new Better water ? It would be a big plus for X as it is nice at maximum setting but it bogs down the sim Better autogen ? It would be a huge plus (nicer and more numerous trees) as I fly below 20k feet but it bogs down the sim too New aircraft ? a very small plus for X as I can get good aircraft from 3rd party developpers. Another thing, my FS9 fav' don't all work. Fligth modeling ? I understand it has not changed Fluidty ? everything being equal I lose about 1/3 with the demo from my FS9 20 frames target even scaling down clouds and autogen. Bad.... Adapting traffic and airport : first reports is that format change makes TTools and AFCAD non operational. Missions ? nice but my imagination is good susbtitute. Still  but beginning to  as much as it  me. Fist time I hesitate to buy a new sim. FS9 is good what I get more ? |
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Post by Admin on Oct 14, 2006 7:16:54 GMT -5
All valid points. And they pretty much match my thoughts. I got a free copy, having been part of the beta team but if I had to go buy it, I think I would be unconvinced too. There's plenty of graphic improvement, but not much else once you throw out the new kiddie game elements. And while some things that were broken were not fixed, some things that were NOT broken were fixed beyond repair. I have added a few FS9 planes successfully but so far NO scenery works right. In some ways FSX is like FS5 and FS2000, an uncomfortable change There's no rush, it will be around for 2-3 years  and PERHAPS FS11 will realize the promise (or be ported to the X-Box and forgotten) My brother was a bit more blunt after a 20 minute flight in FSX. He said, "Well it looks like FS9 was the last flightsim." |
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Post by Kofi on Oct 14, 2006 7:43:35 GMT -5
1) I never did download the demo
2) I'll probably get it but I won't work to get it....(Meaning that everyone else will have it before me ;D
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Post by dominique on Oct 14, 2006 9:21:03 GMT -5
The bottom line is that the simulation core features but one seem not having been improved at all : flight engine, weather engine or ATC engine. I'd be glad to stand corrected. What was improved is the ground resolution (5 m to 70 cm), that was long overdue and is very welcome. Great potential here. Anything else is make up (no offence ladies), nice if it was not bogging down fluidity.
I flew the Solomons today in FS9 with three very thick layers of stratus and cumulus in WoP P-47 at a never flinching 20 f/s. I'll get back to the new sim when it offers me the same performance.
This time around MS may've a strong marketing problem... A proportion of hardcore simmers (Kofi or me) may stay on the FS9 fence and kids will soon learn that X niceties come at a cost (money or poor frame rate) or is even unreachable before long. I say that with sadness for it may spell the end of the franchise. Marketing goofs, finance cuts.
Hope to be able to change my mind but not very sure.
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Post by Kofi on Oct 14, 2006 10:40:31 GMT -5
Well, to be fair to Microsoft...
FS2004 ran like crap on my old machine until I upgraded it
That being said, I'm sure a new DXT 10 video card and CPU (after January) and we'll all love FSX
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Post by Admin on Oct 14, 2006 10:56:32 GMT -5
Again to be fair to Microsoft, FSX runs better on my new computer than FS9 did on the computer I had then, And I get reasonable frames and fluid motion with moderately high slider settings. I have nothing to complain about along those lines. What I am disappointed with is the tremendous amount of effort they put into the game and the precious little effort they put into the sim. That was a marketing decision and they will hit their market hard. They will sell millions of copies to gamers who will beat all the missions, get all the awards and move on to the next game. Meanwhile we will have to hope that 3rd party developers will see the potential for a flight sim in there and build it.
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Post by beana51 on Oct 14, 2006 11:37:35 GMT -5
Hi,I don't think as of to-day,there exists a computer able to extract all thats in FSX.Like some genii stuck in a bottle,it requires expert rubbing to free it.Only then you can start wishing. I admit that I do not know much about tech stuff.But I can read and learn what those who do say. What I read we are all struggling to have the program function as advertised.Not unlike that parable about the blind men and the elephant.We all got a piece of it ,and we don't know what? What bugs me is its there,but just out of reach.I guess as it is now we all my accept some form of performance from this, a compromise of sorts..And yet will always be a bit disappointed because we can't have it all.And we do want it all,not just a hint. I also wonder the time being now spent in tweaking,twaddling ,and generally trying to achieve something.How much does that take from the main reason for a new Sim,that is to enjoy it.Kinda like some Ole plane,always messing with it-Six hours work,one hour flying..For the technocrats that may be fine,the ultimate busy box.But for a Twiddle Dee,like me its just frustrating. Yet I will pursue this FSX vigorously.I probley will get into an upgrade mode soon,my curiosity is to much.Like a monkey contemplating a banana in a bottle.I would venture a guess we all will be doing that also When that green screen,stick,clicking,and jerky first Sim came along,seems like yesterday,We loved it.Love may be best left for the young and insane. Press on!!! VIN  |
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Post by windrunner on Oct 14, 2006 12:39:34 GMT -5
FSX\FSXI for Xbox, not a bad idea at all!
Once I'll install FSX and check it by my own, I'll decide if keep it...or delete it...or to give the two DVDs some vacation until Vista and DX10 will be released.
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Post by lifejogger on Oct 14, 2006 17:08:02 GMT -5
I think we are at a cross road when it comes to Microsoft Flight Simulation. With the release of FSX I think there will be two groups of flight simmers, the pre FSX simmers and the FSX simmers. Of course this has always happened with other releases of FS but usually for only a short period of time until the majority of simmers moved on to the latest FS. I don’t believe this will happen this time, I think that will be a large group of dedicated FS9 simmers (possibly 60%) who will not make the switch to FSX as there primary Flight Sim but will continue to use FS9 for a long time to come. As people replace their computers and as FSX evolves people will Switch to it but I think it is going to take a long time.
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Post by foxwolfen on Oct 14, 2006 17:10:53 GMT -5
Well, to be fair to Microsoft...
FS2004 ran like crap on my old machine until I upgraded it
That being said, I'm sure a new DXT 10 video card and CPU (after January) and we'll all love FSX I am not so sure. If history is any indication, DX10 will not speed up your video, it will slow it down. What it will do is provide MS about 5 years breathing space (if 25 years of MS history is any indication). Manufactures will just be getting to the point where the hardware is capable of using it correctly, then they will release DX11. Such as with now, and DX9. Or DX8.1 ... or 7.0 I have what would be considered by most to be a high-end new machine, and FSP, DX9 still brings it to its knees. Nope, this new version of FS will never perform well on current or next gen computers. Maybe the gen after, in about 3 years. Expecially now that ACES has decided that they are not capable of using MP support for FS. So all those with dual or quad processors will have one or three of them sitting idle while you fly. God only knows what mess they will make of 64bit support. My admiration for MS has dropped significantly. For the first time since XP came out, I am seriously thinking of dropping MS products all together on both technical and moral grounds. I have already dropped MS office, and out side of FS/XP run no other MS software. Hopefully, this is a forum not just dedicated to MS Flightsim, because there are others and it would be nice to get some movement on some of them. There is the free, open source Flight Gear that could sure benifit from the skills of the developers that exist within this community. There is also X-Plane which has real flight models. Cheers Shad |
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Post by Admin on Oct 14, 2006 17:52:20 GMT -5
Hopefully, this is a forum not just dedicated to MS Flightsim, because there are others and it would be nice to get some movement on some of them. There is the free, open source Flight Gear that could sure benifit from the skills of the developers that exist within this community. There is also X-Plane which has real flight models. Cheers Shad Actually, The Old Hangar was/is/will be strictly devoted to MSFS which is, as far as i am concerned, the only game in town or anywhere else. And devoted to a very small niche of that, i.e. vintage and general avaiation. I consider X-Plane and Flight Gear to be cult abberations and have no desire to support them here at The Old Hangar. I have both and to say I found them disappointing would be a kindness. Frankly, Flight Gear requires more effort to even install than I am willing to give it again and X-Plane has nearly equalled FS98 (but not quite.) There is an X-Plane forum here: forums.simflight.com/viewforum.php?f=140&sid=c48efb6c72a9e9a59becde790b326cafAnd a Flight Gear forums/lists linked from here: www.flightgear.org/mail.html for those who are interested. |
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Post by foxwolfen on Oct 14, 2006 20:59:44 GMT -5
Again, my bad. I did not realize it was dedicated so. I seem to be tripping over myself a lot today.
Sorry again.
Cheers
Shad
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Post by beana51 on Oct 14, 2006 22:10:10 GMT -5
Hi Shad,I detect a leaking frustration.I think many quietly ,and not so quietly do also.Its always been that way from the beginning.Never the less Microsoft has always never really let us down.They challenge us.They task us.When that plain FS9 came along,,it provided the basic starter kit .This was enhanced by all those wonderful people who do great things artisticly. Now we all put together ,in many instances a thing we enjoy and are proud of.The thought of something new should not deter us.Rather it should encourage us to do and have better.There is no doubt in my mind we will all evolve into the FSX world,and Soon.When it gets the work over ,it will be just as exciting as our Ole friend FS9.Who really knows what this will evolve to in the coming,months and years.Who could have predicted we would reach this level..The tech industry will mill out the stuff we need very soon.This FSX tail will wag them. I feel the same way with Ole hunting boots,ditto for many cars that pass on.Like checking out into a great new plane.Yet ,you still harbor a sentimental feeling for what brought you there. There can never be a finish line with this.Thats the story of Aviation.The only constant thing here ,is change. I blovaited enough! Thanx and Cheers to you to VIN
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Post by foxwolfen on Oct 14, 2006 23:30:06 GMT -5
Well said. You are right. I have been running into wall after wall with FS9 for the project I am working on and its tainting my view of FS and MS at the moment. Cheers Shad |
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Post by Kofi on Oct 15, 2006 1:42:45 GMT -5
I'm not frustrated at all because I well remember that FS2004 ran like garbage on my old FS2002 "works" machine.
So to me, there's nothing new about framerates and FSX....
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but beginning to 
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me. Fist time I hesitate to buy a new sim. FS9 is good what I get more ? 
and PERHAPS FS11 will realize the promise (or be ported to the X-Box and forgotten)
