Some of us may love what FsX has to offer, others are frustrated by what appears to be an unfinished product. Some, myself included feel that such a momentous (and expensive ) hard and software upgrade is required that FsX is out of reach for now and so only of minor interest; perhaps to be investigated in a year or two's time. What we can't ignore is that it exists and possibly has great potential for the future.
I for one am glad that we have an FsX forum for without it we would be ignorant of our members experiences and opinions.
When I play flight sims I'm always looking for the magic ingredient that will allow me (yes I've said it before ) the chance to "willingly suspend my disbelief" and look at my monitor and think it's real.
FsX may or may not be the future but in discussing the possibilities let's keep it civil. Comments whether negative or positive are fine as long as we can accept that opinions are just that...not a slur on someone who disagrees, but merely an opinion.
Let me second what Roger has just said. I have been very clear in stating my belief that the product is nowhere near finished and I think I have been clear in stating that I think many design and marketing decisions were ill-advised, but I can run it as is just about 24 fps average with fluid motion and no stutters. It works fine on my computer. The point here is that EVERYBODY has a different experience filtered through different wants and needs. Let us all remain calm and respect the facts and each other. Some like it, some don't. All are right.
Hi, how can anyone not agree with what is said here.A definitive difference from the others,where anarchy reigns.In our civility here,we here still voice and address some major likes,dislikes,and other pertinent observations about our FS world.To be sure,its not business as usual,to much going on..There is a profound interest in this hobby.While some wish to remain distant,or not get involved,we still thirst for any thing about this subject.Not unlike the "Donald/Rosie" thing.The flame of curiosity exists,lets face it,we all are one move from becoming a "flame'. Its of course is our nature and pleasure.Kinda reminds me,if I may use another metaphor the workings of the US. Very civil,as we know LOL.And yet it works.The answers come,and coexistence does prevail.Funny thing ,freedom of speech. Saying all that,I still marvel as to how far an insignificant Little game, some years ago has evolved to "Our Thing".Much of this ,I believe is and has been the active,vocal participating by the most important people in this world,"US'. I believe when we we make noise,Microsoft listens. They have been,and will continue to do so,making every new Sim ,a thing to be marveled at and generating controversy. ."Let it be Awful,or let it be Wonderful",as long as it it not common,and continues to promise. Thanx Again VIN
I'll respectfully disagree with the unfinished product label. For one, I don't expect graphics card drivers to be optimized until next fall. MS attempts to straddle the now and the future. Difficult. For sure, X is different than 9, and requires operator adjustment. Garmin 1000 will take me time to learn. Innsubruck mission opens by instructions to fly to the NDB. Took much effort to determine that ADF is not part of the 1000 suite. Ok because GPS is set to nav to the NDB. It's complex and I thought 500 complex and not easy to operate. Map isn't there either. I like the missions. Expert level crash and burn. For you hotshots, Yakutat Mail Run is the ultimate. Night, snow, clag, partial panel, engine failure, engine fire on same engine. Lucky enough to get the 350 to the runway in good shape, veer uncontrollably left, griz running right to left collision bearing, over the griz and back to the runway. Exit large fire and smoke left engine. Good for a laugh. I have had stutter problems on an Ok system. Made adjustments and runs smoothly at 15fps. Not to ignite a firestorm, but FPS never was an issue in 9 or X. The only issue is whether the sim runs smoothly.
I think what we have to remember here is that the majority of the framework of this whole forum is based upon Bill Lyon's rendition of FS2004.... And even then, it was debated upon whether or not to even have an FSX sub-forum
I'll respectfully disagree with the unfinished product label.
You are welcome to disagree with anything, however, I am on the FSX beta team and I will just simply say it is unfinished. And it is unfinished whether you agree or not. I'm glad you are enjoying it. Have fun, but if you want to argue about it, go to AVSIM.
Hi All,Watching a great program about Edwards Air Force Base.About the golden years there.It soon becomes obvious that not every thing they put out worked.Trial and error.Concepts and planes not quite ready,in essence "unfinished".That even begs the question,when is it ever finished?.Those test pilots who ignored an "unfinished " thing,perished.The Thinking pilots ,survived.Whats this got to do with simming you may ask,?Everything! Some of us push the "envelope".we try anything.Some make it,some do not.But with each failure,there follows great success.So it will be in our simming world.FSX may be tickling the future and the next generation Sim.Time will tell.In any case it does progress.The world of the Ole Hanger can only be enhanced by this progress.It will encourage a better Ole world,and we will still enjoy the nostalgia we all love.Yet ,many are purists,we enjoy collecting things,keeping things,that will always be.Heck,I still use Black powder flintlocks.That along with my 30.06,scoped modern hunting rifle.Both give pleasure to use.So it will be in the Sim world... All in all the Sim world is progressing just fine.I'll take the good and the not so good and still say thanx! Sorry,I bloviated a bit! Vin
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I had chance to run the demo .... cranked up everything I could ... did is quite somthing and does show great progress ... however suddenly a message flashed across the screen .. not from the program, rather from my Dell 2350 ... it said, as I recall .... "sure this is something ... but not on me ... you're lucky I let you run FS9" or something to that effect. Too bad they didn't create it to really run on ordinary machines (regardless what is say on the packaging) but then include some screen shots of what it would be like on one of the new dual core monsters.
Hi jimslost,"the more I learn,The less I Know" ...how true.I guess we may have thought ,a product offered to us should have been"Finished,and tested.....its finished,done,fit for human consumption,or use.In all areas this does not appear to be so.From Dog food, lettuce,to new cars,....and most things in between.I do not know how these things are let out to the consumers?..but they are ,even under the best of intentions.Human error,greed,incompetence,and deadlines ,may contribute to this.We ,of course are the victims of this.Reputable companies ,then have to try to fix their errors.We live with recalls in the auto world.Yet it took the "Lemon" law to help solve that to.Is FSX a lemon?,was its release ready,and "Finished"?.Microsoft may have thought so.They were in error I think..The blame must be attached to the team that produced this new Sim.What were the pressures they faced?,and how inflated was their optimism,and belief in their work? what tools did they use to create this?,are those tools reflective of the average CP,now offered?Or was it some dream machine,out of reach for the average user?.However,in fairness,they tried to reflect the things most Simmers wanted. This I fear can never happen in a game with such a modest cost to us.Create the perfect world?They try,but thru who's eyes do they see utopia? One thing we must learn is "Let The Buyer Beware" ......Always! VIN
Please excuse the harshness of my previous reply. None of our members deserve that. Not that it's an excuse but I had just before been reading another FSX forum and the idiocy there had put me in a mood. Let me clarify. FSX was rushed to market before the code was optimized. Many advertised features were dropped from free flight to meet the marketing deadline. For example, the beautiful wandering elephants are only available in Missions. Many other little things were dropped from the release. Raindrops on windshields is only one of the weather effects that were left unfinished. The most glaring of these problems are currently being fixed in SP1 (now in beta.) Sadly, time and budget still do not allow for everything to be brought up to the design goals stated last Spring. FSX will remain unfinished. Will it be any good? Depends... Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Will SP1 be a miracle cure? No, but some people will be very happy with it. The best news is support for multi-core CPUs. Those people who have them should see BIG improvements in performance. I can't say much more than that until SP1 is released, but the latest news is always available on Phil Taylor's blog. blogs.msdn.com/ptaylor/