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Post by AaronMyers on Mar 12, 2006 12:38:13 GMT -5
First of all I just want to say that your first volume looks to be very promising, and I appreciate all the work it must have been to put it together. I'm looking forward to flying more of it. I do have a couple shots I wanted to show you. Looks like I have a bit of a tree problem. Any ideas what could be causing the problem? Also, what folders are you scenery being installed to? I'm being pretty particular about where I'm installing stuff to, and it might be nice to be able to move your stuff to a different folder. Thanks!     |
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Post by scubakobe on Mar 12, 2006 12:49:16 GMT -5
Well I couldn't exactly say it's a small problem  , but uh your terrain is a little goofed up too  Sort of reminds me of those "Runways in the ground" in FS9, many of those in South America. |
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Post by jordonj on Mar 12, 2006 17:26:51 GMT -5
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Coordinates, and airport codes would be helpful...
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Post by AaronMyers on Mar 12, 2006 19:14:43 GMT -5
Sorry, coordinates are on three of the four pictures, but I can certainly look back at what the airport codes are. I guess I figured that the designer would be able to spot which location was which pretty quickly.
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Post by Admin on Mar 12, 2006 21:54:04 GMT -5
Sorry, coordinates are on three of the four pictures, but I can certainly look back at what the airport codes are. I guess I figured that the designer would be able to spot which location was which pretty quickly. And perhaps he will tomorrow... |
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Post by scubakobe on Mar 12, 2006 22:07:21 GMT -5
Well one of your problems seems like it could be from add-on mesh. Look at the results KBR has when he had add-on mesh enabled:  |
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Post by AaronMyers on Mar 12, 2006 22:25:34 GMT -5
Yep, I figured that was probably the case as far as the mesh is concerned. I haven't tried it with a lower terrain vertex level, but I assume that is probably the issue.
I'm in no hurry, whenever Keith gets around to looking at it is fine with me.
Again, thanks for the scenery Keith!
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Post by Keith on Mar 13, 2006 9:03:17 GMT -5
Hi Aaron. I think you already posted this same question over on the SimFlyer forums (which I answered there yesterday) so let me post the same reply here as well. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WOW... that looks pretty bad!  That is happening to about one in every 300 or so installs. It looks like you are using some sort of mesh that is messing the the scenery. Yours looks nothing like what it should look like. We will be releasing a service pack for volume 1 that will add excludes to remove unwanted objects (like trees) and our own mesh to perserve the original terrain elevation very soon.This is what it SHOULD look like. (all these shots are with FS9 DEFAULT textures and our "3D smoothing" mesh... and some people say that replacement textures are always better... I think not.)     I decided to "LOCK" the new mesh, textures and excludes to scenery so that this (Capt Keith Adventure Packs) scenery layer will always (or I hope so) override and other mesh, textures etc. However, If you look at Georender and other hi-quality scenery developers they have the same problems and they even state that they will not support the use of any mesh with their product. I understand why they do that now. ;D I will try my best to have our mesh and textures and autogen etc. "shine through" so to speak but it's hard to do with so many other companies making mesh and replacement textures. If you use the scenery pack with either FS9 default ground textures "or" install the service pack with the new smoothing mesh, which is almost identical to the default FS9 mesh in elevations but "smooths out the textures a bit for a cleaner look (all the new scenery volumes will include this mesh as well as some custom ground replacement textures) your scenery should look like the images above. I was designing for sliders to MAX so you might get a few less trees in the outer area of the scenery but since I am placing all my own autogen trees close up even with sliders down a bit you should have the same amount of trees in the near area of the airfields. |
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Post by AaronMyers on Mar 13, 2006 10:03:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply Keith. I'll keep a close eye out for the service pack and hope it does the trick.
Just as a little background info, I am using FS Global for my mesh which is no doubt the problem with respect to the elevations.
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Post by Admin on Mar 13, 2006 11:28:59 GMT -5
I'm going to add my 2ยข here. It isn't necessarily the mesh that causes problems. More often it is having your TERRAIN_MAX_VERTEX_LEVEL= set at the wrong number.
For 76m mesh it should be at 19, NO HIGHER. More is not better. For 38m mesh, 20 is good. NO HIGHER. More is still not better. Setting TMVL to 21 introduces anomalies into 38m mesh and totally wrecks 76m mesh. 22 is a total disaster since it is not supported in FS9 and trashes everything. Misguided experts will tell you set it at 21 and don't worry about it. Wow you get great mountain peaks. Of coiurse everything else is crap. BTW some thoughtful designers change your TMVL for you so check it now and them and drop it back to 19 if you have 76m mesh and 20 if you have 38m mesh. I'm running mesh where Keith's scenery is and mine looks like his. Imagine that...
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Post by AaronMyers on Mar 13, 2006 11:38:14 GMT -5
Thanks Tom, you are probably right. I already know that mine is set at 21 right now as I was just doing some sight seeing with Vancouver+ which uses 19m mesh. I'll try turning it down to 19 and see if that corrects the mesh issue. However, I doubt that will have any effect on the trees being in the wrong places.
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Post by Admin on Mar 13, 2006 12:17:57 GMT -5
However, I doubt that will have any effect on the trees being in the wrong places. Nope, the trees are a whole 'nuther thing. Autogen is tough to tame. |
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Post by Keith on Mar 13, 2006 21:49:54 GMT -5
Sooooo many choices out there these days on mesh and all claim to be the best.  I run FS Genesis 38 in the US and Canada but none anywhere else. I love the idea of mesh but as Tom says it has it's drawbacks. Most of my FS9 default airfields in higher elevations (us/canada) are all on little plaeaus and it looks stupid. So I guess it's a toss up between better looking overall scenery and crappy (pardon my French) looking airports. I have had a great deal of success getting rid of all the autogen with exclude files so that "should" fix the tree issue. Thanks for that info Tom, I checksed to see if my settings were OK or if something had messed wiith them, but they are fine. |
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Post by Keith on Mar 13, 2006 21:55:33 GMT -5
Tom,
If you have some 38m, some 76m and the rest default would you still set the TERRAIN_MAX_VERTEX_LEVEL= to 20?
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Post by Admin on Mar 13, 2006 23:07:17 GMT -5
No, I have mine set at 19 always. I have the world covered with 76m and as i added 38m to North America I didn't see any real reason to go to 20. I don't need knife edge mountain peaks which seems to be the only visual benefit of running at 20. 19 gives me riverbanks instead of cliffs, good mountains and nicely contoured hills and valleys. For the Appalachain Corridor where I fly, 19 is perfect. As always, mileage may vary but since everything is a compromise, that is what works for me.
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, but uh your terrain is a little goofed up too 
That is happening to about one in every 300 or so installs. It looks like you are using some sort of mesh that is messing the the scenery. Yours looks nothing like what it should look like.
I run FS Genesis 38 in the US and Canada but none anywhere else. I love the idea of mesh but as Tom says it has it's drawbacks. Most of my FS9 default airfields in higher elevations (us/canada) are all on little plaeaus and it looks stupid. So I guess it's a toss up between better looking overall scenery and crappy (pardon my French) looking airports.