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Post by Slide on Mar 4, 2009 6:39:05 GMT -5
What´s this plane?  My co-worker brought this and asked what type of plane is shown on the old picture:  I am sure this is the best place to ask. ;D My first guess was a Spitfire but I think it´s something else. Is that a Merlin on the right? |
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Post by oldpaul on Mar 4, 2009 12:43:09 GMT -5
Slide I have been following the old hanger since 1998 and now I have retired I have a little more time should get more flightsimming in .I think the Picture of the mystery plane could be a Westland Welkin high altitude fighter built towards the end of the 2nd World War which was powerd by two merlin engines.
Oldpaul
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Post by jhefner on Mar 4, 2009 13:22:19 GMT -5
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Post by Slide on Mar 4, 2009 14:15:30 GMT -5
 Good guess Oldpaul; have not heard of this one before. I can only copy this - thanks for posting! Antenna, markings and fuselage look very similar. A Whirlwind is not a bad guess either regarding the canopy...
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Post by windrunner on Mar 5, 2009 10:56:57 GMT -5
All I can say is like those old pics cutted with those strange scissors; I have thousands of the 30s and 40s and I am not still sure why they did it that way.
The plane is certainly british and has a seagull wing. Not sure about the guy...I wander wich cap he is wearing...
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Post by bhk on Mar 5, 2009 15:03:28 GMT -5
I don't think it's a Welkin: the wing is too low on the fuselage. If you have another look at a Welkin you'll see what mean - the wing is mounted higher. Also the canopy is wrong as it is too short and the canopy rails on this aircraft look nothing like those on the Welkin. This pic should be sent in to Aircraft Monthly as they have a section for difficult to identify aircraft. Bruce |
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Post by Slide on Mar 5, 2009 15:04:06 GMT -5
All I can say is like those old pics cutted with those strange scissors; I have thousands of the 30s and 40s and I am not still sure why they did it that way. Good question Not sure about the guy...I wander wich cap he is wearing... My thought. I´ll ask. |
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Post by jhefner on Mar 5, 2009 17:14:23 GMT -5
Guys;
There is an ongoing "Mystery Aircraft" thread on the SOH. I just guessed the mystery plane; so it is my turn to submit a picture. I will either submit this one as my turn, or start a new thread.
Those guys there are good; I think they may be able to figure it out.
-James
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Post by jhefner on Mar 5, 2009 17:48:35 GMT -5
I just realized something when I was posted it to the SOH... we all assumed that the engine to the right belongs to this plane, and that it is a twin engined plane.
But that is not correct. I think it is the second fusalage for another example of the same plane, sitting on a trailer and facing the opposite way. Notice the cut of the fusalage front is the same; and you just barely see the windshield for the second plane on the right edge of the picture. So I think we are looking at a single engined plane here; two of the same type.
-James
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Post by jhefner on Mar 5, 2009 19:14:29 GMT -5
I told you all those guys at the SOH are amazing; one of them guessed it in just a few hours time.  It (they) is a Loire-Nieuport L.N.401. Notice the sloping firewall, canopy and canopy track, gull wing, antenna, and markings in the picture below:  More on the Loire-Nieuport L.N.401: www.aviastar.org/air/france/loire_ln-40.php-James |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 19:33:45 GMT -5
Good grief - never even heard of it but they are dead right that's for sure.
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Post by bhk on Mar 5, 2009 22:27:20 GMT -5
There you go, then. Like Rollerball, I've never heard of it either. Bruce |
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Post by windrunner on Mar 6, 2009 2:54:40 GMT -5
I was suspicious about that guy's cap, it was not british at all and looked too famliliar to me; so from the first time I thought that guy is a german soldier. That misplaced me...a german soldier in a late war brit plane? The plane's roundel, looked raf, tho. Oh well, a french plane. Not bad.
( That thread at soh is good; I went there daily when I used to visit that site. But Moses and the others have a good eye....and a huge library, so they always beated me!)
Edit: I'm moving this thread to our "Research Buro for the Historical Sciences of the Air".
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Post by Slide on Mar 6, 2009 3:11:02 GMT -5
Wow - impressive, Gentlemen! And " respect" ((( ;D ))) to the Outhouse. The sloped firewall of a second plane...geez, yes!!! Nice idea to involve the other guys James - and a good eye you have, too! Bruce, seems we don´t need Aircraft monthly - ours are better!  |
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Post by AirCoaster on Mar 6, 2009 9:21:51 GMT -5
All I can say is like those old pics cutted with those strange scissors; I have thousands of the 30s and 40s and I am not still sure why they did it that way. I once asked my Grandmother this same question, and her response was "so you can sort through the pictures easier". Now days, most photos are packaged from the developers with precisely straight and rectangular photopaper. They are hard to sort through, and have a tendency to stick together. Those older prints also had a depression where the actual photograph was printed, and a raised edge to keep them from sticking together. Also, you will find that the edge cropping of each print is just a bit different from one developer to the other, and maybe even from the same developer. I'm not sure how that was handle back then. Just my thoughts on this subject, and my past experiences. Whether it is correct or not, it certainly sounds good. |
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Good guess Oldpaul; have not heard of this one before. I can only copy this - thanks for posting!
