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Post by jimslost on Jan 10, 2006 14:53:33 GMT -5
Say it; heck, I can't even pronounce it!
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Post by Jakemaster on Jan 10, 2006 17:48:46 GMT -5
I think everyone is overreacting here. Flight Sim is a sim, and what someone wants to do with it is up to them. If you dont like it, too bad, because they payed for the sim and its theirs. As long as no one gets hurt in REAL life. Part of what makes flight sim great is the fact that you can SIMULATE dangerous conditions without putting yourself in any danger. If you want to fly in really high winds in fs, go right ahead, but dont even think about it in the real world. If you want to go fly through the grand canyon, go and have fun, but dont even think about it in the real world.
The way people play fs varies. I for one enjoy flying planes that I will probably never get the chance to fly in real life. Most of the time I do it properly, by the books, etc. Sometimes I do things that normally wouldnt be done in the real world, like take an aerobatic plane and fly in extremely high g maneuvers or maybe under a bridge, or through cities, or other places. And if you dont likeme flying a christian eagle through the buildings in downtown manhattan, too bad, because I bought the sim and I can do what I want.
So please, keep in mind that you dont own other people, and if they want to do something in FS that you dont like, dont attack them for it.
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Post by scubakobe on Jan 10, 2006 18:44:01 GMT -5
Do what you want with the flight simulator! Think of it as you wish! I made this topic for showing my flights, not to argue about the uses of FS9. Yes, it has drifted far from the topic, and I am just waiting to hear Tom's opinion on my flights I created, and your opinions too! Please, try out my flight and give me your opinion. In a year, I might not have the same opinion on flight simming as I do now. I will have the opportunity to fly a real aircraft, as should be with others. I appreciate everyone's opinions and believe it should be valued to a pilot. They are what makes a pilot better, or possibly make him feel worse. However, I feel that your opinions are good, so tell me the truth of your opinions. Now, while I wait for your feedback on the flights Icreated about 2 or 3 posts up, I will go eat some opinions...oh dang it, I mean onions!
Now I am sure you will have an opinion on what I just wrote, and let me tell you, that's OK! Please do.
(PS: If someone has windows messenger or msn messenger, and would like to talk to me, add me : kobbe2@msn.com , I would be happy to talk to someone interested in flight simming)
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Post by phantomx1 on Jan 10, 2006 23:42:18 GMT -5
scubakobe, hats off to for breaking out of the box. Really it is exploring the limits and to do so breeds creativity. I have not down loaded your experiment, but have downloaded a file that someone put up at avsim that was hurricane weather conditions for florida. It was very intriguing. It really exaggerates the feel of a plane in straitline wind conditions, thus better learning how a plane reacts to the wind. I fully recommend the experience of exaggeration, especially in something in mock simulation. It produces quick learning abilities to zero in on skil. Many times when I am figuring problems in this life, I have purposefully resorted to exaggeration, and that has helped me zero in much quicker on many tough problems. In that hurricane weather scheme I mentioned you can even fly backwards, and has been done by many pilots in real life in straight lined winds. There is danger in such conditions. There have been many cases,in real life, where pilots, while on cross country trips, encountered high winds while being caught in large thunder storms, and the litter of their craft found strewn over a mile across the ground after it broke up at altitude in the storm. The flight sim can produce extreme weather conditions, and I recommend these conditions be experienced at sometime on the FS. Surely no one has to do it, but these conditions do come about in real flight. It certainly is challenging. One other thing the flight sim does do pretty well, and thats mimicking IFR conditions. I very rarely hear any discussions about anyone flying IFR on their sims. Occasionally I take off in zero visibility from one airport and fly IFR to another destination airport to shoot an ILS. It's a good feeling you get when you navigate by the instruments to your destination and see the numbers come in to view. In real life though, a sunday pilot that has no IFR experience and suddenly finds himself in the soup, is very apt to lose his life. No one thinks about it, but go under a hood one time with an instructor and let him do a nice wing over and then hand it back to you and then let him give you a couple of headings to turn to and you quickly find out what vertigo is. A very seriously deadly killer. It can be dealt with but only with experience. Hats off to you sir for pushing the limits. Jeeze I have pecked this poor key board to death!
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Post by phantomx1 on Jan 10, 2006 23:50:42 GMT -5
PS. The FS does a real good job of mimicking many real life aspects of aviation. It is fun to drive a plane and look out the window too.
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Post by scubakobe on Jan 11, 2006 0:02:26 GMT -5
Yes, I agree with you totally phantom. Please, when you get a chance, try out the 2 flights I created. And yes, I have tried IFR many times. You are right about the vertigo and all. Thanks for your support phantom, although I didn't intend on this thread to be an argument THanks to all!
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Post by phantomx1 on Jan 11, 2006 0:20:31 GMT -5
I know what your intenions were. You wanted to share something you thought was neet and educational. I will download and try, but I was thinking it was probably simular to the hurricane weather that I have tried before, and I still have somewhere on my computer. Somewhere over 100mph winds. I certainly wouldn't dump it I liked it enough. So can you take off in zero visibility, navigate to an airport 60miles away in zero visibility, shoot your ILS and find the numbers materialize through the fog out in front of you? Flying and looking out is a lot of fun, but to learn the IFR is in a leage all by itself. Completly different and very rewarding.
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Post by phantomx1 on Jan 11, 2006 0:35:12 GMT -5
Downloaded all three scubakobe. I'll try to give you feed back on it. But I'm slow. And I am just a junior member here:) Somewhat old too. You know there are some really highly talented desiners that are here or either pop in. I can't imagine any of them getting to the level of expertise that they have without at some point, thinking out of the box. Cheers!
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Post by scubakobe on Jan 11, 2006 18:35:01 GMT -5
You don't need to try my Catastrophic Flight one, just try the 2 others if you will. You made some very good points, and thanks again phantom.
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Post by phantomx1 on Jan 12, 2006 3:25:45 GMT -5
scubakobe, I liked the catostrofic flight as it reminds me of when I fly my Phantom ultralight in 15+ mph winds. This type of flying is truly somewhat dangerous, but I enjoy such real life challenges. A real plane flys in high strait line winds the same way it would fly in calm wind. Mind you I say straight line winds that contain very little gust or thermal activity. Dangerous comes into play when gusts or thermals are present with high wind which can overstress the airframe and also cause complete loss of control of the aircraft. it is rare to find the straight line wind days, but when they do occur it is a lot like your catostrofic flight. The Antartica approach was interesting. I would have cut down on the excess distance out down to maybe 20 miles but flying in the half soup with the ocean below gave a good feeling of some disorientation to add to the reality. The approach would have been more interesting (to me) if you have left out the already available GPS and had the ADF and ILS radios pre tuned to the proper frequencies and navigate to the approach by that. I had to make 2 go arounds but 3rd approach which was all visible, I landed using half the runway. The Home landing. Was not that interesting. I got nothing out of this. I just as well could start FS and choose a cub and fly it. I'm sure this flight held something that meant something that was more relevant to you, but I got nothing but I was flying a cub. Just an idea, and you seem to like to share something you create, you know you can upload these flights at several FS sites such as AVSIM, FlghtSim. Many people do and many people would probably try them out. You can even put your e-mail address in the Readme and some may e-mail you back to thank you. I suggest you give it a try since you enjoy sharing your creations. I will keep, I know, the first two, as they were interesting:) Thanks. If I may say, this site revolves mainly around the era of the age of old planes and olden times. The main thesus revolves around antique aviation. The people here are seriuosly dedicated to and highly respect this time era. They love to see beautifully modeled replicas of antique planes, and old airport sceneries to add to the nostalgia. I give this view, only to try to give understanding to why this thread seemed to try to waver a little. And I'm serious, you should upload the first two to Avsim I think there would be some to appreciate them I did.
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Post by scubakobe on Jan 12, 2006 11:09:01 GMT -5
Yes, I will try to get them uploaded. About the Antarctica approach, the only way I know how to set up and ILS approach is by using a GPS, I don't really see any lessons in the simulator to teach otherwise. Also, the piper cub flight was just something I did to see the landing distance of a J-3 when approaching in that sort of manner. I thought it would be cool because there happened to be a random row of houses that looked like fences guarding an airstrip, I guess lol. Thanks again phantom, and I will be uploading them to avsim.
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Post by CaptainCernick on Jan 13, 2006 9:06:48 GMT -5
Yes, I will try to get them uploaded. About the Antarctica approach, the only way I know how to set up and ILS approach is by using a GPS, I don't really see any lessons in the simulator to teach otherwise. That's not entirely right. An ILS has a vertical AND a horizontal beam. Tune in the ILS on your NAV radio and look at the gauge with the "cross". The horizontal needle displays your vertical position to the glideslope and the other one displays your horizontal position relative to the glideslope. Check out the instrument rating lessons, especially the written material. I found that it explains it all very clearly.
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Post by scubakobe on Jan 13, 2006 20:08:28 GMT -5
Oooh ok. I haven't bothered with NAV radio either, I just flip the switch to GPS mode I will give it a try! And I have always wondered where you found the glide slope thingy. (Besides the PAPI lights which are very stubborn)
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Post by phantomx1 on Jan 13, 2006 20:41:23 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jan 14, 2006 9:54:30 GMT -5
Let me re-iterate my position on this subject BUT CLEARLY state it is MY OPINION which I believe I am still entitled to. FS9 is a flight simulator, not a crash simulator. There is nothing cool about 80 mph winds. End of opinion. In the future if you don't want my opinion, don't ask for it. Skubakobe you are entitled to use the sim as you wish including making flights others consider foolish. I am equally entitled to think that first flight was foolish. Neither of us are carving TRVTH in stone as far as I can tell.
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