A Start on the Old Ohio Stuff

[bigjohn]

Hi Gang,

I thought I would place these images for you to view. Let's see those wet tongues, I'm counting....... . I will use several of these in the airports I will be developing for Ohio.

BTW, any of you budding scenery creators from Ohio, or for that matter, anyone, are welcome to help with this project. Just send me an email at this addy: air5c0aster($@&)sbcglobal.net. Sorry, remove the $ and & to use the addy.

I hope you all like what you see so far, more to come.

Again, Thanks to all who have contributed to Golden Wings pass and present. I have always loved this stuff. I started in GW back when it was at flightsimmers.net .

Take care......... John

Check out the time slider at the bottom of the pics.

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[phantomx1]

That's a good looking old hangar Big John. Nice textures. Made with Gmax?

[bigjohn]

Yah, Gmax, and PSP. It's not that hard, but it is time consuming..... Thanks for your remarks Phantom.

John

[simonovman]

Didn't it hurt your fingers bending all that sheet metal?

[woody]

Big John
Nice hanger. I have been trying to work with Gmax and not getting to far. can make some small stuff but not the big hanger . will be looking for your scenery .

woody.

[ecduggan]

You have got better luck then I have woody

[sgtmajor]

Big John......... Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a great addition it will make!!

BTW.... there use to be a GREAT web-site called "Old Ohio Airports"..... was that you by chance??

Best wishes,

[bigjohn]

Yes sgtmajor, that was my site at one time. I had to close it because of lack of interest, and financial reasons.

Thanks for the compliments on the hangar. Leon brought to my attention about the panels being laid the wrong way. I have never really seen a quonset hangar in real life, so I was using faking it the best I could. I also have a version with a cupola on top. I guess they used the cupola like a control tower in the early years.



Then again, I am not sure how accurate it is. I just keep trying to make things as close as I know how. I am only 55, so I have seen very little of the old airports of the Golden Age.

Thanks again.

Regards,
John

[simonovman]

The Quonset hut was not invented till 1941. I assume, however, that by "quonset hangar" you mean simply a hangar built in the same hemicylindric shape as the Quonset. Interesting to learn that such constructions existed in the pre-WWII era; I hadn't known that.

The Quonset hut was based on the British Nissen hut, developed during World War I; the shape was basically the same but the method of construction was different. The Nissen hut never caught on in this country as the Quonset hut later did, but I wonder if perhaps some US or Canadian engineer or architect saw some of the early Nissen huts in 1918 or so and was inspired by this to create hangars in the same shape.

I'm just speculating, you understand. As I say, it's news to me that hangars of this type existed at all in the thirties. All the hangar photos I've seen so far from that period were of the familiar box-with-arched-roof pattern or else the shed variety. I'll be interested to see how your project turns out.

[bigjohn]

Simonovman, obviously you have never been to the Old Ohio Airports website when it was available. The airports produced from that series were from an era spanning 1915-1950. Many of the representative airports were gone long before 1950 arrived. during that era many airport hangar styles were used. Nothing was set in stone at all. Many of the make-shift hangars were old barns, garages, sheds, and hand built housings of all types and styles. Airport history is very hard to reseach for the really old fields. Photographs, and field layout plans are almost non-existant for the smaller ones. Many of these I used descriptions from older fellows who offered their help to make things as close as possible. Many are no longer with us, and I was glad just to get some sort of information on the fields in Ohio. I used designers license when designing many of them.

I made these fields for fun, and maybe a little accuracy. If you would like to nit-pick at accuracy, you should go elsewhere. Old Ohio Airports has been enjoyed by many, and most of the kudo emails were from ladies, and gentlemen from the age group of 50 through 80, and I was glad just to bring a smile to these folks.

Since nit-picking is at hand, check out these pics. As you can see from the quonset hangar design of the time, this style of hangar was but a sliver cut of a cylinder.



1944



1946

Take care...... John

[simonovman]

Obvious, huh? Not only did I visit the Old Ohio Airports website many times, I corresponded briefly with you about it, complimenting you on your work and pointing out a few problems, and at one point you asked me if I would be a beta tester. Nothing ever came of this (the website went dead, for reasons you have explained, and you quit answering messages) but I certainly remember it very well. I was quite disappointed as I had been very impressed with some of the Old Ohio series and had hoped they could be made usable.

Nobody is picking any nits; I merely observed that I had been unaware that the hemicylindrical shape had been in use that early, and speculated on its possible origins. All this historic re-creation is a learning experience for all of us. For example just last night I saw a hand-painted postcard of a 1920s airport which featured a tower of a design that looked amazingly modern and would probably raise a few eyebrows if someone incorporated it in a GW scenery without documentation. No need to get your jock in a knot about it.

However, in response to your "it's just for fun" defense (if it can be called a defense, when no one was attacking anyone), I will point out that it has not been long since you posted a lengthy exhortation for everyone to try to live up to the highest standards in creating these scenery addons. You were speaking, I think, of technical excellence - learning to use the latest programs and so on - but still there is a common principle, it seems to me.

I work hard at getting things as historically correct as possible within the limits of the admittedly obsolete and clumsy software I use. I try to learn all I can about the historic background. (Which is why I appreciate it when, for example, you contribute information I wasn't aware of, such as this with the hemicylindrical hangars.) You on the other hand clearly are very much up on the latest tools and techniques - I wish I had a fraction of your technical expertise - but you say you make your projects "for fun and maybe a little accuracy." Leon creates astonishingly detailed scenery entirely from his imagination; Tom goes in for, in his own words, "quick and dirty." Everybody, in other words, has his own priorities - which is only reasonable, seeing that none of us is getting paid for this or has signed any contracts.

And I don't tell other people they ought to do it my way - I might INQUIRE about some historical point, because these matters interest me, but I don't do it in any critical way and if somebody takes it that way that's unfortunate - and I would hope that others will exercise the same tolerance. Let us please keep this a lecture-free area.

Hic finis fandi.

[bigjohn]

I think the lecture-free area, has been violated, and not only by me. I am so glad you have said these things. Somehow, I can't seem to bring myself to believe you mean many of them.

Isn't computer science great, if you don't care for something that others have said, and they poke fun, when you were trying to contribute information for use by others, you just turn it off, or delete the link. This is my next action. If I am not wanted here, that is fine. There are many other sites that enjoy having creative people.

Good luck with your life.

[Admin]

I'm going to lock this post now. John, whether you stay or go is your choice. In the past few months several people I wish had stayed have left and those were their choices. One very good designer and popular member here left because of something YOU said, but that was his choice. If you can't get comfortable here and contribute something to the Golden Wings collective, then by all means, find a comfortable place.

Its each person's choice to be a part of this or not.