Missing Buildings in GW?

[warwickairport]

Hello,

First, let me say thank you for your help with addressing my other questions.

Now for a new issue. I noticed when I flew over Manhattan that many of the buildings, except for the Empire State Building and Chrysler Building, were missing. Accordingly, I recalled from reading the Ulitmate Terrain manual that several of the options in the program, because of a limitation in FS9, removes many of the buildings. Despite deactiving these options, I believe that I still have not gotten all of the buildings back. I was wondering if someone when they have any opportunity can post some sceenshots of New York City, particulary Manhattan, in GW so I can check if I in deed have many the buildings. Not that I am going to count them all. If I do not have the buildings, I would appreciate your help in trying to restore the orginal scenery. I did install the NYC bgls again. Thank you for your help.

Sincerely,
Walter Conklin

[Admin]

The scarcity of buildings in NYC is a byproduct of GW3 design. In order for cities throughout the world to generally look like the 30s, Bill made new urban textures/autogen without skyscrapers. The results made Bangor, Maine and Des Moines, Iowa look like they did in the 30s but made New York a little short on tall buildings. It was a conscious design decision, (Ultimate Terrain had nothing to do with it) What you see is what GW3 includes.
One of the scenery designers a couple years ago talked of making a file that would add back some buildings but it never happened.

Here's a picture:

[Dave3cu]

Walter,

What you are seeing is correct.

The GW3 install leaves only 2 major skyscrapers on Manhattan..the Empire State and Chrysler buildings.

Dave

[warwickairport]

Tom and Dave,

Not that I counted all of them, but I am certain that there are more buildings of GW in the screenshot Tom posted than in my version of GW. I have gotten that same appearance of buildings as in the screenshot before. However, Manhattan is now rather sparse. The exceptions are several single family dwellings, a couple of factories, and not to mention the Empire State and Chrysler buildings. I will post a screenshot when I get the opportunity as I am away from the computer which has GW installed.

I checked to see if I have my autogen set dense which is indeed the case. Perhaps I have less buildings because of a conflict with another add-on. I have the Fitchburg, New York Art Deco, CGAS Floyd Bennet, the New York Aeromarine, FSGenesis terrain, and other sceneries. I also have Daniel Bucher's (sp) enhanced Statue of Liberty installed but it is not displayed.


Walter

[warwickairport]

Hello,

I understand that GW backdates the scenery with fewer buildings to give a 1930s retro look. That said I believe that I have even fewer buildings than the normal amount created by GW as evidenced by the following comparison of screenshots. I believe this issue may have something to do with Ultimate Terrain.

In the first screenshot, I have the “Adjusted City\Town Land-class” and “enhanced lakes, coasts, rivers,” selected, the latter to correct the problem of a landlocked Hudson River.

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In the second one, I have the option off. Notice, however, there are portions of Manhattan that are flooded.

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I took the shots from similar vantages. I know that is hard to see the difference but I think you are able to notice less buildings in former picture.

Walter

[Admin]

Ultimate Terrain did not exist when GW3 was created so the changes that UT makes can be unpredictable. Since you have it installed, I recommend that you keep the “enhanced lakes, coasts, rivers,” turned on. However, I suggest turning off the adjusted City/Town landclass since that is landclass for 2005.
In the end, what you see is what you have. There will be no further development of GW3 by the authors and nobody else seems willing to step up and work on NYC. I suspect the only way you will have it look the way you want is to get an object placement program (like RWY12) and start placing tall buildings.

[warwickairport]

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your suggestion. I would like to have New York City as it is depicted in your screenshot. Accordingly, I would be willing to remove Ultimate Terrain so I could get the same appearance.
In fact, I did uninstall Ultimate Terrain temporarily to see if that corrected the flood but it did work. I recall that you have Ultimate Terrain. What are your settings? Thanks again for your help.

Walter

[Admin]

I don't have Ultimate Terrain installed in GW3, only in stock FS9. I had a program called USA Roads (no longer available) but removed it because Simonov Man's New York airports did not work with it. They were designed on the default so I went back to default.

[warwickairport]

I am at a loss on how to restore the original GW scenery. I tried uninstalling Ultimate Terrain but I seem to recall that I get the same flooded appearance and/or the landlocked harbor. I also reinstalled GW but that did not fix the problem.

Walter

[Admin]

I am equally at a loss. It would seem the only recourse left is to start from scratch with a fresh install of FS9/FS9.1/GW3/GW3 updates. At that point, I would recommend avoiding UT and any mesh. For GW3 all I use is default.

[warwickairport]

Hi everyone,

I was able to fix the problems of the missing buildings and landlocked harbor of New Yor by creating a separate copy of FS9, installing GW on this version, and copying the files over to my enhanced version of GW.

Walter

[Admin]

Good news! I hope you can enjoy it now.

[warwickairport]

Hi everyone,

After resolving this issue initially, followed by having to reinstall GW because of a hard-drive failure, I am encountering the flood effect again. My directions, which I posted above, do not seem to work in this case.

Walter

[warwickairport]

Hi,

I created my Golden Wings folder using my Silver Wings folder as a foundation. Accordingly,, I thought that there might have been a conflict between the FSgenesis landclass I purchased and the one that came with Golden Wings. However, subsituting these landclasses with one another did not fix the problem entirely as I still get the flood effect. I also tried replacing the imagemanhattan.bgl in the newyork folder that came with Golden Wings. When I replaced this file, the landclasses was less urbanized. I tried just installing this imagemanhattan file as an add-on but I get a grey landscape for Manhattan.

[Roger]

Hi Walter,
I would guess that the issue may be caused by the priority various scenery files have been allocated in the library menu. It's always woprth making a copy of a scenery.cfg file that works before doing a re-install, then it's there for comparison later.